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"One of the most innovative and exciting electronic music producers out there today!"- Plastic Mag (London)

 

"Beatdenker is a meta artist! Beatdenker's art is wormhole to a postcontemporary era of music." - SinusOidalMusic (Bangalore) 

"We are stunned, hallucinated, crazy with musical sickness, immersed in these incredible beats that the artist has created, it's all so avant-garde and beautiful, everything so spatial, a wonderful revelation of musical experience, we love it. it is an experience that everyone needs to have.“ - Indieoclock (Rio De Janeiro)

 

"Beatdenker challenges the in-the-box approach of traditional beat-making in production and offers great insight into the way our body response to a rhythm on a deeper level" - The Punk Head (Los Angeles)
 

"A mind-bending experience and fascinating electronic voyage. The energetic Beats with their improvisational magic are arriving from Jazz's spontaneity. Music truely has no boundaries and Beatdenker's music stands as a pleasant narrative for it." -Illustrate Magazine (New York City)

"A Masterpiece!" A postcontemporary trip through surreal worlds and futuristic atmospheres. Beatdenker's positive approach is a reminder to do what we like, to potentiate our potentiality to a healthy extent, and to strive towards a future worth living for all beings. - EL NEWS (ACCRA)

"An unforgettable immaterial journey together with a sensational videoclip of futuristic and mesmerizing atmospheres. Dynamic and surreal flows make the mind transit through the widest points of the universe. Expanding perception is the natural result of this sensory exploration and pleasure." - Music For All (Rio De Janeiro)

"This is called real art“ -The Further (Paris)

"A totally unique electronic experimental adventure, be aware for plenty of head-spinning fun." - Fame Magazine (London)

"There’s something extraordinarily special in Beatdenker’s latest release. If we can call it release: to us sounds more like a piece of modern art. A performance installation, even. The mesmerising sonic piece plus the ever-evolving 3D art are one entity, one sensory experience that will greatly enrich your cultural references. „I Like It But I Do It“ showcases the artistic prowess so proudly championed by the Berlin-based producer. We are certainly impressed." - Mesmerized/YMK (London)

"Beatdenker’s keen artistry and cutting-edge sound immerse the listener in a magical fluid and extraordinary futuristic sonic space, continually launching them into new perceptional truths and planets." - Saiid Zeidan (Beirut)

"Too grand for our minds, but we are taken to that time and environment, on a sensational journey, we are infected by it. A listening experience, which is unique and fun. It’s genius." - Indieoclock (Rio De Janeiro)

"Eclectic, whimsical, challenging, inquisitive, eccentric, superior, terrific, For lovers of electronic and experimental music, dissecting Beatdenker’s latest work can provide you with homework for a whole month." - Sistra Music (Cairo)

​"It’s a must-hear for any artistic individual!" - Illustrate Magazine (New York City)

"Beatdenker has taken on the mission of making highly original compositions available to all types of listeners. A marvel." - InfoMusic (Paris)

"You see, the German creative is what we’d call a multi-disciplinary artist, an enlightened musical wizard who also relates to his pieces both esthetically and philosophically. That’s something that needs to be protected at all costs, as the ultimate form of bold artistic advancement.

 

A record that would make Curtis Roads proud, ‘Real Utopia’ thrives on conflicting traits: On one side, we find dark and futuristic textures, a long stream of sound aimed to hypnotise the listeners, offering a cathartic escape from our modern reality. On the other side, Beatdenker also offers a series of short microsounds, often modulating over time and hitting the human brain with meaningful shocks of electricity. It’s therapy, almost.“ – Mesmerized (london)

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Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch

All Pics by Sanni Lötzsch except 3rd (Blas Lamazares Fraile) and 4th (David Campesino) on the right sight

Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Blas Lamazares Fraile
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by David Campesino
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
Jo Wespel aka Beatdenker pic by Sanni Lötzsch
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What made you decide that music is a thing for you?

I was lucky that my parents sent me to music school or saw the sense behind it and invested the money for it. After that I had the necessary environment, so friends who made music with me, a teacher who encouraged me. Since I’m 14 music is more or less my life elixir and it took its way, I only practiced, so I was accepted at some point at a music university. Even if you still don’t know what it means to be a professional musician (haha) everything was clear from there on. I can’t imagine anything better either. It’s also a great privilege.

 

Introduce us to you and your musical history.

Glockenspiel, flute, classical guitar, electric guitar, effects, composition, rhythm research, finger drumming, producing, building beats, haha. After many years of making music, I have really learned or at least tried a lot of different styles of music from different regions of the world. But since about 10 years I’m really deep into the topic of rhythm and beats, I still like this very much, I’ll probably stay there for a while and research, research and research, yippie.


Two possibilites to describe me: One possibility: I’m a guitar player, composer, producer, (rhythm) researcher, tutor, thinker, (festival) organizer, post-contemporary, subcultural creator, feminist, real-utopist, motivator, supporter of marginalized groups, common welfare orientated, traveler, passionated laugher, part of Subwater Beats collective and privileged inhabitant of planet earth.
Or second possibility: I do, try, believe in pluralism, doing things together, experiments, multicollectivity, endless fun, multiperspectivity, recovering again and again, celebrating and appreciating life, connecting collectives, failing and learing process, exchange, consistency, sustainability, peace, thinking from the future, correlation, connectivity, respect and random stuff.

 

The music industry is the hardest industry in the world to progress in, How do you feel you are doing?

It totally feels that way yes, although I could think of other, worse types of businesses, phew. To be honest it is frustrating 99% of the time haha. Just the other day I did a personal study: 100 booking emails, 5 responses (all people I know), 2 concerts. The booking emails were super researched not just standard emails. Everything works through vitamin B and or money, that’s it. Skills are unfortunately absolutely third-rate. An official study from 2016 showed that even in a super-rich country like Germany, 68% of all jazz musicians live below the official poverty line. On top of that, there are far too few performance opportunities for far too many super musicians, as well as several other structural problems, without going into intersectional forms of discrimination yet. At the same time, I feel very privileged to be able to practice this profession. I have gained a lot of freedom, so I really concentrate on my own music and research work.

 

How have your composition and improvising skills developed over time?

I have to say I’m very happy with these for a few years. After years and years of struggling, I feel quite comfortable with that now. For years I have always had hyper-creative phases in which I either record an album or write a new concert program for my bands within a week mostly. Also with improvising, I feel more and more free. Not all the time for sure, sometimes you just feel uncomfortable, but it’s getting better. Luckily.

 

I’m seeing a lot of debate about women not feeling safe at music gigs, any thoughts on what we need to do to help?

That’s sadly super true and horrible. I mean our whole society (speaking now for Germany) is super sexist, still in 2022, crazy! And I wanna add LGBTQIA+ and People of Color, which also don’t feel safe very very often, doesn’t matter if it’s in the audience, the working environment, or even on stage. After all these marginalized groups are telling us non-marginalized people day after day how crazy they get suppressed, we finally need to listen to them and change that as fast as possible. These are all not my ideas but speaking of our music sector: I can see dramatic differences in events with or without awareness crews. As a curator or event manager I should/could think about who do I invite and what my event policy is, as an artist I should/could think about who I could pass on the concert request I can’t play, and so on. So come on white privileged dudes, move your ass and do better stuff, haha, we will all benefit, 100%!

As you develop as an artist and develop using socials what ways do you get new ears on your music? Any tips?

Haha, definitely would share my tips, if I would have serious ones. I’m trying the standard options, but I think money and contacts are definitely working best, haha. Maybe luck sometimes and ok, yes also skills.

 

Tell us 2 truths and a lie about you.

Some people think I’m smiling and laughing all the time. But I can tell you it’s not true. Latest in the moment I start working on some music business stuff, haha. But what is true, is that I immediately start smiling and laughing if I met or see some nice people, yippie.

 

What’s your thought on spotifys monopoly on the music industry?

As with all monopolies or oligopolies, I think it is even more important than politics finally intervenes in the all-so-clever free market. Individuals won’t change that with consuming decisions. There is enought proof about that – same thing with climate crisis. At the moment the spotify share is lower than when it went public, because investors (similar to netflix) are bailing out because they have noticed (within the doubtable free market logic) that there are no possibilities to be profitable at any point, if you can get endless music (or films) for 10 bucks a month. But without clear laws I don’t think it will be better even if spotify would die at one point. Like in all businesses I think there must be companies with way more democracy and worker rights, e.g. workers are shareholders. There are amazing ideas out there from very smart „common welfare economy“ people. But yes after people all around the globe are used to it that you get „all“ music for more or less „no“ money, it will be a huge task to make them clear that people making music also need some money for their work and existance. I mean how does it make sense that not the producers (in general) but the people around make the money, that’s insane.

Do you sign up to any conspiracy theories?

I’m quite into contemporary philosophy. Since one year quite into new realism. It’s completely the opposite of conspiracy theories. It is more about how to solve the problem of our post-truth age. Like every human being, I’m also into stories, this is a major part of our lives and essential for survival, but I think we urgently need clear and easy instruments and access to facts to solve multiple crises and to be able to build up better narratives for the future on planet earth with human beings, animals and functional biodiversity.

Did you buy anything you don’t need during the pandemic?

Luckily, I think not really, maybe some plugins, haha.

What was the worst experience on stage?

Not really bad things happened to me, I have to say, but I remember a concert at a very cool and lovely self-made festival. But not everything and everyone was professional, so it already was kinda exhausting to set up everything for hours. I was already done when the actual concert started, haha. But after all that, suddenly some people turned off the electricity in the middle of the concert, because they found it too loud, too late, too something, haha.

Tell us something about you that you think people would be surprised about.

I’m struggling with complexity rhythms, too. haha.

What makes you stand out as an artist?

Musically wise, I think that after years of struggling I managed to make a new kind of beats. in terms of content, making improvised complexistic rhythms (or xenoryhtms as i call them) as bouncy as possible, making the sound as unique, unpredictable and fat as possible. i’m always very happy when people at live concerts take the challenge to try out their future dance steps on the dance floor while I set off my beat fireworks. In general, I try to see the bigger picture of what I’m doing, i.e. to see the whole thing as a total work of art. I try to be as creative, multi-perspectival, funny, concrete, respectful, and open as possible. for me, it is also extremely important to convey a message, especially a political one. Considering our time of multicrisis and the urgency to end or somehow manage them, I can hardly stand it anymore when (especially privileged) artists think that “just being an artist” is enough to change anything.

I hear you have new music, what can you tell us about it.

Most likely, no (human) being perceived time as something uniform or evenly progressing. Although I am the biggest fan of and strongly influenced by straight (programmed) beats and in the pocket grooves, at the same time I see rhythm and life and „the world“ (if it exists at all, in the way most people think of it) much more irregular, contrasty, multi-layered, diverse, multimorphic and full of dance and movement contingencies. In this sense, the album wants to be a glimpse into the beat’s future or bring post contemporary beats and move(ment)s into the present. Yippie.

And I guess the major tasks of our time are probably the understanding of complex interrelations and contexts, tolerating ambiguities – at the same time resolving paradoxes – and describing problems as concretely as possible. This album is by no means an attack on contingency, nevertheless a laudation of the concrete within the experimental and a rebuff to the vague.

Talk me through the thought process of the new tunes.

After my debut album “Too Tall To Dance,” I tried to deepen the two same main concerns. first to see how complexity rhythms can groove, where the border of the rhythmic imaginable lies and where the border of the nuances is, someone can perceive at all. This time I wanted to go to the extreme, rhythmically wise and I had one pre-compositional complexistic rhythmical idea per song. E.g. one beat has a mixture of three and even four nested tuplets, or two more nested tuplets in a polyrhythm of 17 over 22. Shortly before I recorded the album I developed my system x over y no borders, which makes it possible to imagine polyrhythms from 2-33 over 2-33 (and also higher) and as a result to perform accurately, too. It is kinda easy to write complex stuff as a composer, but I’m a hybrid composer-performer who wants to go wild. I don’t see so much sense if people compose the most specific stuff, but no one can play this. Don’t like the approximate, premature and vague so much in this case, haha. I used the x over y no borders system a lot, but also other rhythmical stuff and approaches I learned through the years. Outside all the rhythmical thoughts, I care a lot about the general sounds and sound design. I most of the nondrum sounds I played with my guitar synthesizer, sounds I already programmed in advance, to have a wide option of sounds and fast and intuitive access while the recording process.

What was the recording process like?

Normally I do albums in hyper-creative moods. When I immersed myself once, I just do stuff. There is no real (critical) thinking or even doubts usually, a very very rare state of mind and the best trip, always and noncomparable to anything else. The focus was absolutely on the beat (bass drum, snare, hi-hat) which I played on an MPC into my loop station. Usually I imagine very odd and out stuff over a standard 4/4 meter or some 4/4 bars. Most of the time you don’t hear the actual time, it’s more about the relationship of time. But a fun fact I like to use is, that all the effects react in the actual, non hearable tempo, that makes it even more fun for me, haha. After that I recorded bass lines, melodies, chords and sounds on the remaining tracks of my five track loop-station. Everything happens very much in a flow state. Afterwards I made an instant arrangement with the fx from the loop-station and recorded it directly into my daw as one stereo track. There I supplemented some (effected) sounds, melodies and samples, very little stuff. Then I mixed and mastered it and that’s it. The whole process or trip from the pre compositional thoughts till the final masters took me one week with little sleep, haha.

What was the biggest learning curve in writing the new tunes?

Hard to say, but before I start my recording trip, I spent a lot of time practicing guitar, finger drumming, mixing, rhythmic concepts, and finding new sounds. Before such a creative phase starts suddenly, I always had an intense practice period, where I learn the most.

Would you change anything now it’s finished?

No, haha. I try to focus on new projects or music once I finished something. I try to be in an interrelationship of thinking of the future and thinking from the future.

Is there anything else you would like to share with the world?

Maybe my three personal slogans: ethic endless fun, imagination unlimited, demanding power from below, means: have as much fun as possible without hurting someone else (especially marginalized people and non-human entities, too), imagine the most way-out things within your work or passion, push your creativity as much as possible to reach something new and (most probably most important) join at least one political, social, plural economic, future-orientated movement and fight for a better “world”. Have fun listening. thanks for taking the time. Peace out!

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Artist:

Beatdenker

Instruments:

guitar player, Finger drumming, composer, producer, (rhythm) researcher, tutor, thinker, (festival) organizer, postcontemporary, subcultural creator, real-utopist, feminist, motivator, in solidarity with marginalized groups, traveler, common welfare orientated, passionated laugher and privileged inhabitant of planet earth.

slogans: „ethic endless fun, imagination unlimited, demanding power from below“

 

Projects:

Sinularia, Beatdenker, POLYPLAY, Zur Schönen Aussicht, Subwater Beats collective (SURfF Festival, Kulturrabazzz Festival) and Recursive Rhythm Get-Together and a massive, nationwide community, music, festival and democracy boost: Future Bloom.

Can you shortly describe your music?
Impossible, haha but: I call it – provocatively – postcontemporary music. South Indian Carnatic as well as complexistic new music rhythmic concepts are amalgamated with black American improvisational artistry as well as a progressivist beats aesthetic in a quite imaginative way to create something incomparable. With sensitive musicality and ecstatic energy I resp. we try to unite rhythmic intellectuality with melodic-harmonic emotionality. In best case a wormhole to new ways of conceiving music of the 21st century. I challenge cheekily but elegantly to dance to the future and live a real-utopian world, a global democratic planned socialism.

What was the last recording you listened to before this interview?

Actually, the last thing was from my band Sinularia. I organize these „rhythm hangs“ in Berlin every week when I am in town - an open meeting where I talk about the rhythmic concepts that I am working on or developed myself and we try them out together in the group. And we analyzed one of our songs there today.

 

Who are your favorite musician friends?

Lots of people, but I’d like to emphasize and thank the ones who put so much extra effort to play my postcontemporary music with me: Max Santner, Felix Henkelhausen, Olga Reznichenko, Philip Dornbusch, Paul Berberich, Flo Lauer and KID BE KID as a collaborator and supporter.

 

How important is it for musicians nowadays to be part of a community like Boomslang or music labels in general?

I am one who says we need „radical community“, because I think that really is the only option these days. I don’t see how someone in that world survives being a lonely fighter. It works for a few people for sure - which is cool - but it doesn’t for most.

I have been thinking like this for years (Subwater Beats, own one week long festival, future bloom), which is why I find this Boomslang initiative so great. Of course in the end, we are all competitors in a way, because that is the system we live in. I believe we should form a community in which we radically exchange knowledge, connections, fun, life, stuff and music. Also, considering intersectionality in terms of how institutions operate and how our world operates is important to me when I think about what a community might look like.

 

If you were an animal, what might you be?

Probably a cow. I consider myself a little bit of a „Kuhjunge“, my parents were farmers, we had cows, I grew up in a 16 people village and them, so I definitely have a connection with them. I like their atmosphere and how curious they can be - that’s something we could learn from them.

 

Can you give some thoughts on how you would define Jazz or what Jazz means to you? Do you consider yourself a Jazz musician?

The main thing about Jazz, for me, is that it is about freedom and thus resistance. It comes from suppressed people and has quite a clear political aspect to it, and I have to say: I do miss that aspect sometimes nowadays when I look around. I think in times like these, one should make some clear statements and not be afraid to speak up. (Me: Stopping exploitation of all beings and planets must be our main goal!!!) Of course one reason for that could be that Jazz has become more and more institutionalized during the last decades - which obviously also has its advantages! I had the privilege of learning this language at a university and that is all fine, but we shouldn’t forget where this music comes from, especially as white Europeans.

Other important aspects of being a Jazz musician, in my opinion are to be innovative, to push borders and for sure improvisation. Those aspects appear in the music, but also in my daily life, to not be afraid to connect, to experiment with spaces, with people and with life in general. So as a whole, yes: I would consider myself a Jazz musician+, with a lot of other influences.

 

How is Jazz/improvised music/abstract music relevant in today’s world?

I think that kind of music, as I already stated, is important to show resistance to demand freedom for all, especially for marginalized groups. Also it can show how spaces can be used, in the context of concerts or festivals; people come together and they speak a common musical language and they work together. That always has an impact on society, and it is a peaceful, multivalent, international thing. For me personally, I spend a lot of time thinking about and planning festivals: it is super cool, when you can come together, connect and celebrate with diverse people. I view this not only Jazz-specific, but rather more interdisciplinary, multicollectively, heterarchical, intersectional, mulitiperspectival, independently...

Exchange knowledge, experiences, ways of thinking, experimenting… all of that is important for society too, to think about how things could be differently, contingency.

 

Which three spices would best describe your music?

Chili, Szechuan pepper and curcuma.

 

If you could say one sentence to your 20-year old self, what would you tell them?

Don’t be afraid of mistakes!

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